6/09/08 - 2nd Day - After Breakfast. News from the Rants continues... It is funny how sometimes a story just begs to be told. I have received quite a few emails recently asking me why I wasn't on Sermonaudio(dot)com. I get the question every couple of months, but lately I have been receiving it quite a bit. Then, the other day, Brother Herrick Kimball over at The Deliberate Agrarian wrote that he had run across the sermons of Ian Paisley at Sermonaudio and it seemed to me that this story was just begging to be told, since the owner/operators of Sermonaudio are affiliated with Mr. Paisley's Free Presbyterian Church.
So here goes...
One day (I don't remember what year it was... probably early 2003 some time) I started receiving an enormous amount of communications (emails, etc.) about a sermon I had done and that had been posted on my Lazarusunbound.com website. The amount of emails I was receiving was inordinate, so I started asking people where they had heard the sermon. It turned out that someone (I don't remember who) had posted one of my sermons on Sermonaudio. Several people, including a few folks who were helping me in the ministry, asked me why I didn't have all of my sermons posted there. Well, so we ended up starting a Sermonaudio account and we began posting my sermons on there every week.
It didn't take long and we started noticing something. For years (we are told) the most downloaded sermons on Sermonaudio were those of Ian Paisley and one or two other Free Pres. preachers. Back then, Sermonaudio had a "hottest" downloads counter on the front page with the top five downloaded sermons, and they had a longer list of top downloaded sermons linked elsewhere on the site. But the top 5 list was right on the front page. Almost inevitably, the top 5 sermons were all sermons by Ian Paisley or, like I said, one of the other popular Free Pres. preachers. Well, within a week or so of us uploading sermons, we noticed that my sermons were getting into the top 5... usually at number 5. Then, within a month or so, we noticed that the previous weeks sermon was moving up to number 4, and then the new sermon was going to number 5. This would stay that way all week. Well, long-story-short, it wasn't long before my sermons were taking up all top 5 spots. Week after week. Every day. I was shocked by this because Sermonaudio is the largest pulpit in the world, and the sermons downloaded there make up the largest amount of downloaded sermons on the entire internet. I wondered what the institutional, formal denominations thought about this non-affiliated, radical, separatist preacher being the number one downloaded preacher on the internet. I actually speculated many times that "they" would find some way to get me booted off of there, or worse.
Well, as I predicted, it didn't take long.
It started with a sermon I did about Christmas. I don't even think it was a sermon about Christmas, but I think I derided and made fun of the celebration of pagan holy days by professing "christians" in one of the sermons that was very popular on Sermonaudio. About that time I was also doing a series of sermons on the identity of the Antichrist:
The Doctrine of the Papal Antichrist
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That sermon was part of a series which included:
Testimony of the Spirit Concerning Antichrist
The Testimony of History against Antichrist
and culminated in a "shocking" sermon:
The Shocking Truth About the False Prophet
Ok, so here is where the story gets interesting. After the "christmas" comments, I received some emails that speculated (or warned me) that the owner of Sermonaudio, a big supporter of the pagan holiday of XMAS, wouldn't like me talking bad about his festive holiday. I don't know if this is true about the guy or not, but this is what I was told. So I kind of figured when my sermon which condemned XMAS was number one on Sermonaudio and blowing the doors out with the number of downloads, that something was going to happen.
So when this False Prophet sermon came out, we received an email from Steve Lee - owner of Sermonaudio - that we were being summarily kicked off of Sermonaudio and that all of our sermons would be removed. No reason was given at all, we were just kicked off and all of the sermons were removed. The next day, Mr. Paisley and his Free Pres. preachers were returned to their rightful place in the top 5 downloads at SA.
So I went public with the story. First, I admitted and agreed that Mr. Lee was fully well able to kick off any preacher he wanted to. He owns the site and he can do with it what he wills. But I said that, as a professing Christian, Mr. Lee ought to owe me and his own listeners an explanation as to why he was booting us off. Here was the reply I received from Mr. Lee:
From: "SERMONAUDIO.com" <info@sermonaudio.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:24:19 -0500
Dear Mr. Bunker,
In our Articles of Faith we state: "SermonAudio.com embraces the historic Protestant faith."
Since you have stated your view that the Protestant churches are daughters of the Harlot, it would be entirely inconsistent for us to carry your sermons.
Sincerely,
Steven Lee
Founder, SermonAudio.com
Mr. Lee obviously could not discern a difference between Modern apostate Protestantism, and "Historic Protestantism". Here was my response:
Mr. Lee
I have always stated that the "modern so-called" Protestant churches are the daughters of the Harlot. I have always and will continue to exempt true Protestantism from those accusations. The historic Protestant faith which you embrace is based on God's sovereign Grace alone - this Protestantism I defend humbly every day. I do find your willingness to embrace Arminians like David Cloud suspicious, when he vocally disputes virtually every tenet of true Protestantism. I think you will find that if you study our statements on this subject, you will find us in total agreement on this subject. Although I do not expect to be re-instatedto SermonAudio, I would be glad to publicly clarify my position if it would satisfy your suspicions regarding our adherence to historic Protestantism - but it would not answer for many people why you are so quick to challenge our adherence to your Statement of Faith, while you embrace Arminians who absolutely adore the doctrines of Papal Rome.
So far as a strict adherence to historic Protestantism, you would be hard pressed to find a more sincere defender.
Once again, I support your right to do what you will with your website. I pray that God will move within you to research the topic and examine your own motives in this regard.
Peacefully your servant in Christ Jesus,
Michael Bunker
Of course, this all caused a great controversy at the time. You'll have to remember that it wasn't just us quiet Agrarians at that time, this was all taking place around and about the largest pulpit in the whole world. In response to the controversy, I sent this explanation out to my listeners:
Brethren,
In answers to the "suspicions" and accusations of Mr. Steve Lee of SermonAudio.com, I provide here a direct quote from a sermon which was for many months broadcast daily on SermonAudio.com. It can be found in my sermon entitled THE SHOCKING TRUTH OF THE FALSE PROPHET, and it plainly states that APOSTATE Protestantism is the False Prophet, and elsewhere (in numerous places) that MODERN so-called Protestantism is the False Prophet and the daughter of the Harlot. If Mr. Lee holds to his view that these statements mean that we deny "Historic" Protestantism, then he does not understand the plain difference between MODERN and HISTORIC, and he also needs to explain why he believes that Apostate Protestantism is Historic Protestantism. If Mr. Lee requires it, we will provide the names of scores of Historic Protestants who also believed that apostate (arminian) Protestantism would be the False Prophet.... Editor
"America is the home of Apostate Christianity. Her churches evangelize the world with the false doctrines of Arminianism and Miracle worship. She is the home of the biggest so-called Protestant ministries in all the world, and she causes all the world to worship according to Papist Arminian Free-Will doctrines. The False Prophet is a nation (America). The False Prophet is a church (apostate Protestantism), and the False Prophet rules over the world, a world that shakes in fear of the fire that America has called down on her enemies. Although Protestant America has the form of a Lamb, she speaks as a dragon, threatening the world with her miraculous weapons. By the way, she says, “If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists”. (Michael Bunker - The Shocking Truth of the False Prophet, June 3, 2003)
Your servant in Christ Jesus,
Michael Bunker
In the sermon, I clearly delineated between Apostate Protestantism and True or Historic Protestantism. Mr. Lee chose not to consider that there could be a difference.
Next, with the encouragement of many of Mr. Lee's audience and supporters, I sent to Mr. Lee some historic evidence so that he would not think that I had made up my conclusion on my own... I also included a quote from Dr. Ian Paisley to emphasize the point:
Mr. Lee,
I respectfully submit, along with my previous communications, the following historical evidence that it has been a common teaching among many prominent historical Protestant teachers throughout history (of several denominations) that modern apostate Protestantism is in fact the False Prophet and daughter of the Roman Harlot: “The second beast, the false prophet, is the ecclesiastical organisation of the Antichrist, the spokesman of the first beast. Such are the priests of Rome... today we see the most influential clergy of apostate Protestantism crying and rushing to Rome that they too might have this power.” (Dr.Ian Paisley)
In 1120, the Waldenses in Italy taught that the False Prophet would be false preachers who taught the doctrines of the Antichrist.
In 1259 Ubertino of Casale of France taught that the False Prophet would be false christians who would follow the Beast of Rome.
In 1637 Dr. Thomas Goodwin of Britain taught that the Protestant image of Ecclesiastical Rome would be the False Prophet.
In 1768 Thomas Pyle an Anglican preacher taught that Jesuitism would be the False Prophet. In my book (Swarms of Locusts) I prove that modern Arminian apostate Protestantism is Jesuitism. Augustus Toplady also proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt in his “Arminianism, the Road to Rome”.
In 1778 British Presbyterian John Willison wrote that Protestantism would be the False Prophet.
In 1788 British Dissenter James Bicheno taught that apostate Protestantism would be the False Prophet.
In 1799 American Congregationalist Samuel Hopkins stated that apostate Protestantism would be the False Prophet.
Sincerely,
Michael Bunker
Mr. Lee chose not to respond, not to explain, and not to help any of his audience who had a problem with what he had done to understand his actions. Here is a letter sent to me by a Sermonaudio listener. It is pretty representative of hundreds of such letters sent to Mr. Lee and cc'd or copied to me:
Mr. Lee
(info@sermonaudio.com)
I don't see where Bunker is at odds with you. I like statements of faith if they are given upfront. This shows folks that they are not Christian "weaklings" and will boldly stand up for what they believe.
I've listened to his sermons (Bunker's) and have also read 2 of his books. Bunker's delivery is man-like and he doesn't deliver like an effeminate, however, this should not disqualify him; he believes strongly in what he preaches.
Since you mention your statement of faith I do have a question for you regarding "other" members I see broadcasting on SermonAudio. There are a ton of Arminians currently listed that I know full well don't support the statement of faith, in fact preach vehemently against what you personally believe, especially the guy over at O Timothy magazine, which has e-mailed his written sermons all over the world, ridiculing great reformers such as Calvin, Luther, and CH Spurgeon, while lifting up doctrines right out of the Catholic Church.
As I take this time to reply to your message, my computer has alerted me to other incoming messages. One of the messages is a reply back from Mr. Bunker regarding this issue. In the mail I received from him, he quotes you as saying, "In our Articles of Faith we state: "SermonAudio.com embraces the historic Protestant faith."
Oh my goodness! Please make reference to my previous paragraph! There are a bunch of broadcasters who don't embrace your "historic" Protestant faith that currently have sermons that ridicule your personal perspective on Protestantism. I have been Pro-SermonAudio recommending your site since I first stumbled onto it a long time ago and have found it sickening to my stomach when I hear the same old traditional garbage from those broadcasters who trash the TULIP and insert their views on salvation in which the Historic Reformers proclaimed were the traditions of Rome and men. Actually, I'm surprised that SermonAudio allows the preaching of a Pre-tribulation Rapture and Dispensational Futurism that is inexorably linked to the Vatican since you're opposed to the ecumenical organizations such as Tim LaHaye's Evangelicals and Catholics Together. You have many broadcasters that would say that you're in error and hindering the cause of Jesus Christ because you cater to people that adhere to the Westminster Confession of Faith.
In conclusion, if you don't have a problem with Ian R.K. Paisley, Francis Nigel Lee, and Arthur W. Pink, (of whom I highly respect) you shouldn't have a problem with Mr. Bunker either. If you're offended by Mr. Bunker's proclamation that some of the so called Protestant Churches are "daughters of the Harlot", check your recent church history. Van Impe, Graham, LaHaye, TBN, are so called Protestant Organizations that are filled with like minded Protestant Churches and they and their leaders are once again following that great whore of Rome to varying degrees. Ian R.K. Paisley in particular has drawn very similar conclusions as Mr. Bunker regarding these Protestant churches, in which he calls their pastors and professors, "hypocrites", "generation of vipers", and "whoremongers". You can't be a whoremonger if there is not a whore involved! If a Protestant Church decides to teach Dispensational Futurism and teaches people that Antichrist is yet to come, is a singular evil person, and salvation is ultimately the personal choice of the man, they are by default "flirting if not actually sleeping" with the great whore of Rome, for they are the originators of this filth. Brother, the whore of Rome and her emissaries have invaded SermonAudio and are spreading their anti-Historic position and all it's vileness to all that listen.
Personally, brother, I'd trade at least 10 of your current crop of Arminians for 1 Mr. Bunker any day of the week!
Get this straightened out for the benefit of all. You might also want to have them reaffirm their compliance to SermonAudio's Articles of Faith and adhere to Historic Protestantism without glorifying the positions of Francisco Ribera and Emmanuel LaCunza (Rabbi Ben Ezra).
In Christ,
(name withheld)
Ok, so that is the Sermonaudio story. We shook the dust off of our feet and have moved on. It is interesting to me, though, that preachers and listeners on Sermonaudio continue to refer to me and Sermonaudio really can't do anything to sanitize themselves from the influence of Michael Bunker. Read the "brief sermon overview" for this sermon recently placed on Sermonaudio:
"I was about to preach this sermon and had my notes out and made one last click and came across a comment by Michael Bunker about Romosexual(ity) and how the reprobate mind is in and of it's self a judgment of God." (Pastor Michael Slattery)
Like the ironically and comedically inappropriately named APuritansMind website, it doesn't matter how much they hate me, they can't quite flush my influence from their site. By the way, as an aside, don't ever tell The Right Reverand C. Matthew Mc(Pope) over at apuritansmind that you are in any way affiliated with me. He will have you filleted, excoriated, mind-raped, verbally chastised and figuratively chained and thrown into a lake. Like his father the Archbishop Laud, he will have no fellowship with "covenant breaking anabaptists", and he looks forward to the day when the powers that be (the future Reformed Kingdom of Protestantopia) will let his ilk kill you like they did in the good old days.Anyway, I know a lot of you just love Sermonaudio(dot)com; and it is likely that there are a few Christ-loving preachers there who do not know that the only reason that they are still preaching on that site is that they haven't committed the three cardinal crimes:
1. Thou shalt not be more popular than our own stable of homeboys.
2. Thou shalt not dare to point the finger of blame at those who finance our internet kingdom.
3. Thou shalt not slay or in any way attempt to melt our own private idols.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord and we will let things fall out however the Lord wills. There is no idol so important to me that I will not ask the Lord to slay and kill it, even if it hurts me in this carnal world to do so. We are commanded to seek first the kingdom of God, and by doing so we must lay aside and put behind our backs all things that build the kingdoms of this world. Pride, greed, and slavish service to private worldly interests do not serve the Kingdom of God.
We know that the truth makes enemies, and the truth cannot be bullied into conformity or syncretism with worldly interests. That is just a fact we must deal with. If you choose to tell the truth, you will be persecuted and slandered. It is a fact, then, that if you are not persecuted and slandered, if you are popular and accepted, if you do not make enemies, then you are NOT preaching the Word of God.
Facts are facts. I have to live with them. So should you.
Your servant in Christ Jesus,
Michael Bunker